Hi, welcome to Stitchipedia, a Lilo & Stitch Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the User:Kyurem147 page.
Why did you change back what i change?!?!?!
Why did you change back what i change?! what you change where all errors, at least if you have pay attention to what happens and what the characters say in the episodes of Stitch! and Lilo and Stitch.
What did I tell you!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guess its only fair to inform you of this blog, if you choose to join then I will be expecting a change in your general behavior. That means no more wiping out infoboxes from articles for no particular reason nor will it be tolerated to have pages deleted just so you can recreate them. This new wiki/merge of multiple is not going to tolerate dictatorship or controlling behavior, there are no guarantees of you keeping any staff duties on the final merged wiki unless you can demonstrate a real genuine change of behavior. That being said, i am interested in your opinion in regards to the proposed merge since you are an admin here. Nerfmaster8 (talk) 07:49, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, we can work something out regarding the merge of these wikis. How do want to go about this?
As far as I know this merge will combine all the articles on Stitchipedia and The Lilo & Stitch Wiki, and as far as I know, fanart won't be rejected on the new site where these wikis will be merged, because only myself and WikiaAid will be in charge of the new Lilo-and-Stitch Database site, and WikiaAid only cares about adding those new infoboxes that he worked so hard to create to the new site without them having to be deleted by you, just because you object, which is no excuse, so you might want to conform to accepting these new infoboxes if nothing else.
I can't really explain in full detail what will happen to them. But I'll tell you what. If you promise not to remove those new infoboxes created by WikiaAid, may I please, with your permssion, put them back on StitchDatabase, because there was nothing wrong with having them there. If you will allow this, maybe we won't have to worry about merging anything, except maybe Stitchipedia and The Lilo & Stitch Wiki at least because these sites are identical and need not be separate. So will you allow those inofboxes that WikiaAid created back on StitchDatabase at least?
Very well, I understand. As for the merge, as you at least willing to have Stitchipedia and The Lilo & Stitch wikis merged into one if nothing else, since they are both identical?
If you could kindly tell me specifically what the flaw is, I could maybe fix it on StitchDatabase then put those infoboxes back where they were. As far as I know about the merge, we won't lose anything, and all those experiment pictures and other images will be imported along with the wikis that are to be merged.
According to WikiaAid, he seems to have found the flaw that caused the portable infoboxes that he made to not show up properly. These are his words:
"I had to purge pages at times to make them appear properly; sometimes the articles did not render the infoboxes correctly whenever I made a change to the template. To purge pages by the way, add ?action=purge to the end of the wiki page's URL and press enter/return to have the page reloaded with the new version of the page rendered. I believe that this was a flaw with Wikia's underlying MediaWiki code than it was with my template. I did go back to the templates' source whenever I made a mistake that caused any parsing errors that Wikia caught, but Wikia has trouble with handling changes to pre-existing templates on the article themselves when the templates get edited, hence the purging that I had to do to see if they worked."
Also, I made a list of what's missing, namely on The Lilo & Stitch Wikia and LiloandStitch wikia so we don't lose anything, including all experiment pages and images, when the merge takes effect. Everything will be merged into Stitchipedia, including everything from StitchDatabase. I'm sure that merge sounds reasonable, so this site here will be the new main "Lilo and Stitch" wiki site.
You're right. I'll talk to Nerfmaster8 about it, as you do seem to have a point.
Yes, you do. I think we can agree with your suggestion. I just left Nerfmaster8 a message about it, and I'm sure he will be willing to negotiate.
I heard back from Nerfmaster8, and he agrees to leave StitchDatabase alone and untouched and just merge the lesser The Lilo & Stitch and Lilo and Stitch wikis into Stitchipedia. This is something that we can all agree on. However, Nerfmaster wants you to make a note of that in the merge blogs because Eva needs you to verify before she does anything.
One more thing Nerfmaster 8 wanted me to ask you about. Do you wish to remain at Stitchipedia and split off to StitchDatabase? Because he was originally planning on merging The Lilo & Stitch and Lilo and Stitch wikis into this one here, and then help to improve the theme, background, logo and home page plus create some basic policy. Please get back because I want to know if you approve of this.
Last-minute thing. Nerfmaster8 wants to know if he can become an admin to help out along with WikiaAid? He also says that we should decide on a new Bcrat for the wiki because none are active at the moment. He suggest that it's better to be able to promote yourself with consensus rather than adopting the wiki later. If you approve, then Eva can grant Nerfmaster8 admins privileges after you agree to let him help out on this site along with WikiaAid. We can work together to improve this Stitchipedia site. What do you say?
Nerfmaster8 and I mean that StitchDatabase will be left alone and untouched and that the lesser The Lilo & Stitch Wiki and Lilo and Stitch wikis will be merged into Stitchipedia, which is what we agreed on. That way, StitchDatabase will be left intact and untouched, and that Stitchipedia will be the only other "Lilo & Stitch" site after those two above lesser wikis get merged into this one.
in regards to Bcrat rights, you will either have to wait for Trooperdude to be active or ask Eva during this merge. the choice is up to you. While I do have my concerns, it seems that you are still highly reluctant to respond to my messages...hope this at least clarifies things for youNerfmaster8 (talk) 19:04, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
We are NOT going to lose the fanart. I told Nerf that you want to keep the fanart images on the same page as the experiment articles they refer to. Nerf suggested creating a separate gallery for all the fanart images, but I think you'd rather keep them on the same page as the experiment article they refer to. Is this correct?
just to clarify, are you saying that the glitch or bug when the infobox was added to pages that in categories the usual gallery of like 8 article images simply vanished? you can leave wolf a response if you do not wish to respond to me. keep in mind that after we merge, we will need to communicate since i will be asking the community development team for help on logos, background and possibly other things that will also require your approval. Nerfmaster8 (talk) 20:07, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
Fanart images and infoboxes
I heard from WikiaAid and he doesn't seem too confortable about how the fanart images are posted and arranged on Stitchipedia. These are his words below. Perhaps we could work something out according to WikiaAid's suggestions.
"About the fan art, though. Personally, I very much argue against the use of fan art on wikis unless they refer to a strictly fanon concept, just like on Bulbapedia. Not to mention, some of the "fan art" over on Stitchipedia are really just tracings of official art and screencaps that should be deleted pronto (e.g. this picture is a tracing of this official artwork), while other fan art on the wiki haveglaring watermarks showing that the original artist does not want them used by anyone else without their permission, and then are some that are just subjectively bad drawings.
Still though, if he must keep all those images, then I want to make some recommendations:
- Make separate gallery pages. This one's not just for the fan art, but also for all those other pieces of artwork and screencaps in the gallery sections. Seriously, it is a pain to see that scroll though all those images on the article; I'd rather have them put somewhere else instead. I mean, Disney Wiki uses separate gallery pages, so why can't we?
- Put fan art at the bottom of the gallery, not the top. The most important artwork should be the official stuff, so fan art shouldn't be as prominent in galleries.
- Put images in different subsections to they are easier to organize and navigate through (like on the Stitch gallery page I linked to).
- Finally, if the artwork used on the top of a character or experiment page is fan art, then it should explicitly pointed out as such, with a caption saying who made it.
One more thing, I did read about the flaw that Kyurem was complaining about. The images on the top of articles not appearing on category pages when the portable infoboxes are used is beyond me. I've been adding the image parameter to the portable infoboxes properly as described in Wikia's guide, so this a fault on their end. He should talk to whoever currently does the backend coding for portable infoboxes about this issue; there is nothing I can do to fix this problem."
Please kindly give me your opinions about the above message.
images marked for deletion
Okay, We need to get seriously now. I need you to first of all respond to the message i leave you.
second these sketches that you upload are copyright violations. any images that have the transparent or regular deviantart watermark cannot be uploaded here, those must go. Nerfmaster8 (talk) 18:58, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
thank you for finally responding. those sketches are by fans and even if no complaints, that may just be that they are not aware you are using without permission. this is essentially something to keep in mind out of respect for the creator. i'm going to continue to tag these for deletion.
i saw your message to Sannse about the "source" and Visual" buttons being smaller than usual, that's caused by your css changes. i'll fix that after we merge among other things. Nerfmaster8 (talk) 19:16, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
normal methods of uploading images is to give credit and most importantly to have permission to repost the images. you should not be waiting for the owner/creator to find out themselves and then inform you. actually, they don't even need to inform you. they can easily send to staff of the violation and then staff would delete it. that's all from a legal point of view, DMCA. who says they actually found out?
if you have permission for any of the recently marked images, you can remove the tag but only in those cases. this is not me telling you to go ahead and undo all those tags for deletions.
also can you clarify in regards to the flaw with the categories on if it had to do with the top 8 images vanishing? this way i can send staff a proper bug report. the other flaw of the template not appearing in visual mode has a fix planned for tomorrow. Nerfmaster8 (talk) 19:34, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
i see you did one of the files i informed wolf on, can you do the other?
Do you understand my point now regarding the images?
also can you please get back to us about the fan art, i think its best to at the very minimum to label fan art in the gallery and to move them to the bottom. official art should remain at the top in any case.
thank you for moving those pages.
portable infobox flaw
also can you clarify in regards to the flaw with the categories on if it had to do with the top 8 images vanishing?
please let me know your opinion on the following thread unless you prefer to go with graywolf's response: http://lilo-and-stitch-database.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:295
also expecting a response to the above question.
thank you for letting me know what the actual flaw was, now i can inform staff for a fix. thanks.
can you clarify the following: "Second about the background I think is customary to series images only."? this thread is where i want you to go comment. the background is for the wiki's background, currently you have an image being repeated. that looks horrible.
deleting files won't cause your edit count to drop. some of the images can be kept, i got to filter through them all, don't worry about deleting. i'll take care of all that after we merge and the user rights are set, gonna do it with a bot account.
merge - shall we begin?
Now that we got most of the issues out of the way, can we please move forward with the agreed upon merge? I really hate being somewhat harsh towards you but in a serious tone, yes the recreate must end for this wiki to become functional after a major upgrade. i don't want to see a waste of effort from my end or from the community development team which will be requested, though before a request can be sent some cleanup must be done. the below is what I requested Eva to do, GrayWolf2 already gave the greenlight but it seems you sent Eva a message to delay. Can you tell Eva to go ahead...
- merge liloandstitch and thelilostitch into stitchipediaalilostitch
- there's no loss of content at all according to GrayWolf2, i'm trusting him on that.
- Final URL is requested to be liloandstitch
- grant the following user rights:
- Nerfmaster8 to Bcrat
- WikiaAid to admin
- nm8bot to botflag
Re: Policy Pages
Already took care of them. They are updated enough for now. Just edited some grammar in each of them. They are fine the way they are for now.
Images from Lampoon
Just to let you know, Nerfmaster8 said to remove ALL experiment images with a watermark logo on them, as they are copyrighted and not for personal use. I am in the process of doing that, so please DO NOT upload any more experiment images from lampoon, as they have a watermark on them, which means they CANNOT be used as one's own. Please just follow this one new rule and no protesting or arguments about it. You might want to help out by removing any experiment images from lampoon because I can't remember all the articles where you had uploaded images from lampoon on them.
That maybe so, but Nerfmaster8 firmly stated for you to NOT ask me to delete any articles just so you can recreate them or because you think they are NOT needed, and that includes redirects according to Nerfmaster8. So I'm asking you nicely, please DO NOT delete the redirects because that is considered unnecessary deletion, and Nerfmaster8 refuses to have me promote you to Brcat if you continue with your random deletion of articles behavior, and that INCLUDES redirects.